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		<title>By: metafever</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>metafever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your site and posts are very interesting ! Thanks for providing such a great resource. With so many junk sites out there it&#039;s refreshing to find one with valuable, useful information ! I&#039;ll be back to read regularly !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your site and posts are very interesting ! Thanks for providing such a great resource. With so many junk sites out there it&#8217;s refreshing to find one with valuable, useful information ! I&#8217;ll be back to read regularly !<br />
Thanks,<br />
Jeanine</p>
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		<title>By: Lahle Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Lahle Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been providing web site repair and SEO services for more than five years.  I am sickened by the number of unscrupulous &quot;SEO&quot; companies that popped up almost overnight.

Many seem to capitalize on the &quot;Google Sandbox Effect,&quot; which I believe to be an urban legend born in part, by poor SEO practices.  When sites do not get indexed people have blamed Google instead of looking to the number of poorly-done websites.  I have never had a site &quot;sandboxed&quot; but I do not launch sites that are not already as close to perfect as possible.

There is no point in paying someone to create metadata unless your website is well designed, has quality content, and friendly navigation for humans and robots.  Why should Google (or any search engine) promote cruddy sites?  Instead of blaming finicky search engines, blame your SEO company for site failure or for making promises they simply cannot hbnor.

I refuse to provide even basic SEO services to any client who&#039;s website is full or bad links (or link farms) and malfunctioning scripts and navigation.  What is the point of trying to drive traffic to a broken-down website?  No one will come back - including web crawlers.

This is something I tell all my clients ... robots, by nature want to crawl your site.  No SEO company deserves bragging rights for getting a robot to visit your site they will do that on their own in most cases.  A professional should make sure your entire site is working so that robots can crawl and digest information on your website in a way that helps you in search engine returns.  

Anyone can get robots to come to your site - but will they index it?  A true SEO professional will ensure robots have something to feed on besides metadata so they will keep coming back and indexing more pages.  This will increase your chances of appearing in search engines.

Thank you for pointing out that SEO is not about keywords but about the entire website.  Any SEO company that offers you canned services and who has not first looked at your site AND researched your industry, is one to run from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been providing web site repair and SEO services for more than five years.  I am sickened by the number of unscrupulous &#8220;SEO&#8221; companies that popped up almost overnight.</p>
<p>Many seem to capitalize on the &#8220;Google Sandbox Effect,&#8221; which I believe to be an urban legend born in part, by poor SEO practices.  When sites do not get indexed people have blamed Google instead of looking to the number of poorly-done websites.  I have never had a site &#8220;sandboxed&#8221; but I do not launch sites that are not already as close to perfect as possible.</p>
<p>There is no point in paying someone to create metadata unless your website is well designed, has quality content, and friendly navigation for humans and robots.  Why should Google (or any search engine) promote cruddy sites?  Instead of blaming finicky search engines, blame your SEO company for site failure or for making promises they simply cannot hbnor.</p>
<p>I refuse to provide even basic SEO services to any client who&#8217;s website is full or bad links (or link farms) and malfunctioning scripts and navigation.  What is the point of trying to drive traffic to a broken-down website?  No one will come back &#8211; including web crawlers.</p>
<p>This is something I tell all my clients &#8230; robots, by nature want to crawl your site.  No SEO company deserves bragging rights for getting a robot to visit your site they will do that on their own in most cases.  A professional should make sure your entire site is working so that robots can crawl and digest information on your website in a way that helps you in search engine returns.  </p>
<p>Anyone can get robots to come to your site &#8211; but will they index it?  A true SEO professional will ensure robots have something to feed on besides metadata so they will keep coming back and indexing more pages.  This will increase your chances of appearing in search engines.</p>
<p>Thank you for pointing out that SEO is not about keywords but about the entire website.  Any SEO company that offers you canned services and who has not first looked at your site AND researched your industry, is one to run from.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1494</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey good info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey good info.</p>
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		<title>By: SEO Consultant Joel</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Consultant Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great bullet points. People need to watch google guidelines closely to ensure they don&#039;t get themselves in to trouble. It can be a costly mistake to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great bullet points. People need to watch google guidelines closely to ensure they don&#8217;t get themselves in to trouble. It can be a costly mistake to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: 080424 Daily Links: Five You Should Read Apriol 24, 2008 &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</title>
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		<dc:creator>080424 Daily Links: Five You Should Read Apriol 24, 2008 &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SEO – More then Just (sic) Hype Nicole St. Martin, Optimization Goddess, responds to some SEO Trashing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Speed of Technology &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>Speed of Technology &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a piece called SEO Hype and Services You Don’t Need, Laura Shannon makes a detailed case for the inclusion of branding and messaging in SEO. The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nicole St.Martin</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole St.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura - Absolutely! I would love to see more clients invest in making their own career site better, I agree that this is the BEST approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura &#8211; Absolutely! I would love to see more clients invest in making their own career site better, I agree that this is the BEST approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the comment Nicole! I completely agree with your points about SEM and the difficulty of re-designing the career site. And I understand the importance of getting the jobs into the search engines.

However, I have to disagree about the work-a-rounds.  Including a logo and limited information is not the same as fully branding the client and seems to be the standard practice. Many of these work-a-rounds do not even link to the career sites. That means the candidates that are applying are not learning about the employer or the employer&#039;s culture, which is usually not good for candidate quality.

Also, the work-a-rounds are only temporary fixes. When those contracts are over and/or those mirror sites are shut down, the client&#039;s ranking is no better off.  It&#039;s almost as if they have &quot;leased&quot; search engine placement. Those same funds could have been invested in meaningful changes to the career site&#039;s usability, accessibility, organization, functionality and content that would have made long-term impact. 

I understand the motivation for using a work-a-round, however I am advocating for optimizing the career site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the comment Nicole! I completely agree with your points about SEM and the difficulty of re-designing the career site. And I understand the importance of getting the jobs into the search engines.</p>
<p>However, I have to disagree about the work-a-rounds.  Including a logo and limited information is not the same as fully branding the client and seems to be the standard practice. Many of these work-a-rounds do not even link to the career sites. That means the candidates that are applying are not learning about the employer or the employer&#8217;s culture, which is usually not good for candidate quality.</p>
<p>Also, the work-a-rounds are only temporary fixes. When those contracts are over and/or those mirror sites are shut down, the client&#8217;s ranking is no better off.  It&#8217;s almost as if they have &#8220;leased&#8221; search engine placement. Those same funds could have been invested in meaningful changes to the career site&#8217;s usability, accessibility, organization, functionality and content that would have made long-term impact. </p>
<p>I understand the motivation for using a work-a-round, however I am advocating for optimizing the career site.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole St.Martin</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole St.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building a work-a-round outside of your career website does not necessarily mean you are not building your brand. It really depends on the product specifications. In the case of Jobs2Web, an SEO product that I helped create, it most definitely is company branded.

Keep in mind also that some career website’s would need a complete re-design in order to be search engine friendly. Career sites that are built with frames or pop-up’s don’t have much of a chance for being successful organically.

I agree that SEO should not be your only strategy but it is certainly an important one these days with all the job related searches being done directly within the search engines.

PPC or SEM is another tactic as Morgan pointed out but one thing to keep in mind is even paid advertising requires SEO, if your pages are not optimized to fit Google’s quality guidelines you’ll end up paying way more then the guy who has optimized their landing pages.

There are some shady service providers out there, if anyone promises you specific rankings or mentions being able to get you 100’s of links for pennies – Run!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building a work-a-round outside of your career website does not necessarily mean you are not building your brand. It really depends on the product specifications. In the case of Jobs2Web, an SEO product that I helped create, it most definitely is company branded.</p>
<p>Keep in mind also that some career website’s would need a complete re-design in order to be search engine friendly. Career sites that are built with frames or pop-up’s don’t have much of a chance for being successful organically.</p>
<p>I agree that SEO should not be your only strategy but it is certainly an important one these days with all the job related searches being done directly within the search engines.</p>
<p>PPC or SEM is another tactic as Morgan pointed out but one thing to keep in mind is even paid advertising requires SEO, if your pages are not optimized to fit Google’s quality guidelines you’ll end up paying way more then the guy who has optimized their landing pages.</p>
<p>There are some shady service providers out there, if anyone promises you specific rankings or mentions being able to get you 100’s of links for pennies – Run!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed! Education is important. Although it&#039;s not always that easy. Especially in the HR industry where marketing is just a small part of the responsibilities of our clients. It is easy for vendors to take advantage. Some of these overhyped HR-specfic SEO companies even have industry expert endorsements. It&#039;s shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed! Education is important. Although it&#8217;s not always that easy. Especially in the HR industry where marketing is just a small part of the responsibilities of our clients. It is easy for vendors to take advantage. Some of these overhyped HR-specfic SEO companies even have industry expert endorsements. It&#8217;s shameful.</p>
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