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		<title>By: 080424 Daily Links: Five You Should Read Apriol 24, 2008 &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>080424 Daily Links: Five You Should Read Apriol 24, 2008 &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SEO – More then Just (sic) Hype Nicole St. Martin, Optimization Goddess, responds to some SEO Trashing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Speed of Technology &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>Speed of Technology &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a piece called SEO Hype and Services You Don’t Need, Laura Shannon makes a detailed case for the inclusion of branding and messaging in SEO. The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nicole St.Martin</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole St.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura - Absolutely! I would love to see more clients invest in making their own career site better, I agree that this is the BEST approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura - Absolutely! I would love to see more clients invest in making their own career site better, I agree that this is the BEST approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the comment Nicole! I completely agree with your points about SEM and the difficulty of re-designing the career site. And I understand the importance of getting the jobs into the search engines.

However, I have to disagree about the work-a-rounds.  Including a logo and limited information is not the same as fully branding the client and seems to be the standard practice. Many of these work-a-rounds do not even link to the career sites. That means the candidates that are applying are not learning about the employer or the employer's culture, which is usually not good for candidate quality.

Also, the work-a-rounds are only temporary fixes. When those contracts are over and/or those mirror sites are shut down, the client's ranking is no better off.  It's almost as if they have "leased" search engine placement. Those same funds could have been invested in meaningful changes to the career site's usability, accessibility, organization, functionality and content that would have made long-term impact. 

I understand the motivation for using a work-a-round, however I am advocating for optimizing the career site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the comment Nicole! I completely agree with your points about SEM and the difficulty of re-designing the career site. And I understand the importance of getting the jobs into the search engines.</p>
<p>However, I have to disagree about the work-a-rounds.  Including a logo and limited information is not the same as fully branding the client and seems to be the standard practice. Many of these work-a-rounds do not even link to the career sites. That means the candidates that are applying are not learning about the employer or the employer&#8217;s culture, which is usually not good for candidate quality.</p>
<p>Also, the work-a-rounds are only temporary fixes. When those contracts are over and/or those mirror sites are shut down, the client&#8217;s ranking is no better off.  It&#8217;s almost as if they have &#8220;leased&#8221; search engine placement. Those same funds could have been invested in meaningful changes to the career site&#8217;s usability, accessibility, organization, functionality and content that would have made long-term impact. </p>
<p>I understand the motivation for using a work-a-round, however I am advocating for optimizing the career site.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole St.Martin</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole St.Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building a work-a-round outside of your career website does not necessarily mean you are not building your brand. It really depends on the product specifications. In the case of Jobs2Web, an SEO product that I helped create, it most definitely is company branded.

Keep in mind also that some career website’s would need a complete re-design in order to be search engine friendly. Career sites that are built with frames or pop-up’s don’t have much of a chance for being successful organically.

I agree that SEO should not be your only strategy but it is certainly an important one these days with all the job related searches being done directly within the search engines.

PPC or SEM is another tactic as Morgan pointed out but one thing to keep in mind is even paid advertising requires SEO, if your pages are not optimized to fit Google’s quality guidelines you’ll end up paying way more then the guy who has optimized their landing pages.

There are some shady service providers out there, if anyone promises you specific rankings or mentions being able to get you 100’s of links for pennies – Run!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building a work-a-round outside of your career website does not necessarily mean you are not building your brand. It really depends on the product specifications. In the case of Jobs2Web, an SEO product that I helped create, it most definitely is company branded.</p>
<p>Keep in mind also that some career website’s would need a complete re-design in order to be search engine friendly. Career sites that are built with frames or pop-up’s don’t have much of a chance for being successful organically.</p>
<p>I agree that SEO should not be your only strategy but it is certainly an important one these days with all the job related searches being done directly within the search engines.</p>
<p>PPC or SEM is another tactic as Morgan pointed out but one thing to keep in mind is even paid advertising requires SEO, if your pages are not optimized to fit Google’s quality guidelines you’ll end up paying way more then the guy who has optimized their landing pages.</p>
<p>There are some shady service providers out there, if anyone promises you specific rankings or mentions being able to get you 100’s of links for pennies – Run!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed! Education is important. Although it's not always that easy. Especially in the HR industry where marketing is just a small part of the responsibilities of our clients. It is easy for vendors to take advantage. Some of these overhyped HR-specfic SEO companies even have industry expert endorsements. It's shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed! Education is important. Although it&#8217;s not always that easy. Especially in the HR industry where marketing is just a small part of the responsibilities of our clients. It is easy for vendors to take advantage. Some of these overhyped HR-specfic SEO companies even have industry expert endorsements. It&#8217;s shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: morgan</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic advice! SEO isn't an all-encompassing fix for all of your marketing needs. It's only a tool in your marketing arsenal. Heck, it's not even the only way to get yourself marketed online -- you can also do SEM and other methods too. The main thing, as you point out, that SEO is going for is the organic traffic. That's the key: it's the organic traffic that's targeted to your site. If you're talking to an SEO company and they want to do something for you that doesn't involve your site, or getting links to you site, you should definitely question their intentions. One of the best tools that I've always recommended to people is to educate themselves. You don't need to become an expert, but learn a little bit about SEO so that you can ask some good questions to the prospective company you'll hire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic advice! SEO isn&#8217;t an all-encompassing fix for all of your marketing needs. It&#8217;s only a tool in your marketing arsenal. Heck, it&#8217;s not even the only way to get yourself marketed online &#8212; you can also do SEM and other methods too. The main thing, as you point out, that SEO is going for is the organic traffic. That&#8217;s the key: it&#8217;s the organic traffic that&#8217;s targeted to your site. If you&#8217;re talking to an SEO company and they want to do something for you that doesn&#8217;t involve your site, or getting links to you site, you should definitely question their intentions. One of the best tools that I&#8217;ve always recommended to people is to educate themselves. You don&#8217;t need to become an expert, but learn a little bit about SEO so that you can ask some good questions to the prospective company you&#8217;ll hire.</p>
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		<title>By: SEO Ranter</title>
		<link>http://talesfromthedigitalside.com/2008/04/09/seo-hype-and-services-you-dont-need/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could do worse than to check Google's guidelines, too:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#38;answer=35291</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could do worse than to check Google&#8217;s guidelines, too:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=35291" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=35291</a></p>
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